One of the authors at a Voice for Men poses the dilema: Rape or not? It seems that modern rules about what constitutes rape includes the scenario that women who have been drinking alcohol are incapable of giving consent to sex and so any sex that happens, even between husband and wife, is by definition, "rape". I am sure the definition varies from one jurisdiction to another. This is the current operating definition in the US Army.
But I have a solution. If your wife or girlfriend has had a few drinks and you are not certain if she is capable of legally giving consent to sex, just slip her a roofie. If she doesn't remember it the next day, it didn't happen.
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Or if two folks get smashed and hook up. Did they just rape each other?
Only if both are men.
We need to do something about this. Since women can't hold theirRaise the drinking age for women to 70.
Wait, nevermind.
I were drunk wen I tiped that.
Are you being sarcastic in your advice to give her a date rape drug?
You misogynist pig! It's rape if she says it is, and that's all that matters. Doesn't even matter if he never touched her or even met her. If she says he raped her, then he is guilty of rape!
LOL, classic Prof, just classic.
Jennifer,
I don't understand your point. If she doesn't remember,then it didn't happen. If it didn't happen, then it wasn't rape. if it wasn't rape, then it wasn't "date rape". If it wasn't "date rape", then why call it a "date rape" drug?
My question is very serious, Hale. But I'll assume from Justin's reaction that your post is sardonic.
That is the magic of the internet. You can take what you read any way you like.
I don't find your joke very appropriate. You should be aware that you never know who will read it or how personal it really is.
I don't find your joke very appropriate.
Of course you don't. Write your congressperson and perhaps they will write a law controlling the internet so that nothing offensive will ever touch your shell again.
You should be aware that you never know who will read it or how personal it really is.
If I cared, I wouldn't have put it on the internet.
Jennifer gets more worked up over a few offensive words on a screen than innocent men's lives being ruined by false rape charges. She's just a typical team woman player.
Yes, finding rape offensive must mean I live in a shell. I suppose if I had a blog and told women, "Hey girls, here's a tip for future dates: get him dead drunk, then sleep with him, and the next morning if you regret it you can call it rape, and he can't contradict you because he won't remember!" then sensitive people like Anon would find it VERY offensive, not just because it mocks false rape accusations, but also because some stupid witch out there could take it seriously. And if a man told me he didn't find that funny, maybe because he knew a man whose life was wrecked that way, I'd just be obtuse, not say whether I was serious or not, then mock him about looking for a law to keep me from being offensive again. Would you find that funny, Hale and Anon? The fact that you assume I mock false rape charges shows your own sad lack of logic, Anon.
If you were making a point about false accusations, Hale, I don't know why you didn't simply clarify when I asked you for clarification.
To make my own self clear: I don't find false accusations funny at all, but horrible, just like I find rape horrible. So I think casual remarks about them need to be made with caution (I'm still repulsed at the jokes people made about Michael Jackson assaulting small children). If the point you were making, Hale, was simply mocking the looseness of present rape definitions (as in, if women don't remember having sex, then it MUST be rape according to the crazy femmies) then I understand that. But when you weren't clear with your responses, I wasn't sure how to take it. I don't know if I jumped the gun or not, but the matter of rape and false rape is very personal to me, so it can be shaky ground to tread on both sides.
"if women don't remember having sex, then it MUST be rape"
Actually, that is very tricky. The solution is, don't get drunk when you're on a date.
True. If a woman was not drunk or high and didn't remember having sex, then there's no question.
So bad jokes = rape now.
Why not? Everything else is...
Is Jennifer all done stamping her feet and venting shrill complaints now?
"So bad jokes = rape now"
Yes, that's exactly what I said. Such logic! Are you a feminist?
Lighten up Francis.
That goes for all of you.
The world goes around. In the process millions of people are damaged by accidents, disease and the cruelty they do to each other. That is life. No one's personal story of tragedy gives them a monopoly on the feeling of pain so much that they should also decide for everyone else how the discussion of that topic will be conducted.
I did not make myself clear before because I thought I was already perfectly clear on the point I wanted to make. I was only unclear on the imaginary point Jennifer thought I was trying to make.
Anon, don't you dare take my side of this argument. This is not a forum to fight about which is the greater injustice between rape or false accusation of rape. There are plenty of other blogs that specialize in that. Go there.
I have re-read my original post. it is witty, insightful, terse, and unmistakable in its message. If you don't get it, the problem is not on this end. I will not be "explaining it" apologizing for it, backpeddling it, soft-soaping it, or in any other way trying to weasel-word it to avoid the wrath of internet folk.
I'm glad you have such a high opinion of your writing. There was no imaginary point Hale, which was why I asked for clarification, to be certain before I became offended, because there's a lot of dumb shit on the Internet that can do harm in the real world. There's no monopoly on feelings either; asking someone to be cautious is not making an unjust demand. I've witnessed the pain of many and because of this, I think it's wise to have some caution, for others' sake as well as for the sake of common decency, but I'm aware not everyone shares this idea.
My high opinion of my writing is well deserved. I have been blogging since 2004. Lots of people enjoy reading what I write and I appreciate all three of them.
... but I'm aware not everyone shares this idea.
Well I certainly don't since your idea of "common decency" is to control the speech and thoughts of total strangers so that they don't stray into your special topic that only you get to talk about. And when you do talk about it, you get to control the language used to meet your own arbitrary and capricious standard of human behavior.
I don't know if you were raped or some one you knew was raped and I really don't care. I am 51 years old and I understand that someone somewhere at some time in the past was raped and it was awful for them to live through, if they survived at all. At the same time, thousands of people are murdered in this country every year. The injustice done to them is every bit as tragic. Likewise the thousands of people who are beaten into comas just because they are wearing the wrong brand of shoes or have the wrong color of skin for the neighborhood they are in.
There is no topic that I cannot use to make a point. And I reserve the right to do so any way I choose, and to accept the risk that I may occasionally offend people. In my 51 years, I have learned that some people are always offended and others have taken exclusive ownership of some topics and demand everyone else SHFT unless they agree to echo the party line. Thankfully, I live in America and everything hasn't been hate-speech banned yet.
Rape is just another event in normal human life. We can talk about it gently, crassly, humorously, and/or clinically.
Q: How many feminists does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: That's not funny.
When you get that joke, you will understand my comments. If you never do, I don't care.
Yes, I get the joke Hale, because I'm not a feminist.
"Well I certainly don't since your idea of "common decency" is to control the speech and thoughts of total strangers so that they don't stray into your special topic that only you get to talk about. And when you do talk about it, you get to control the language used to meet your own arbitrary and capricious standard of human behavior."
You are grossly exaggerating my words. I never once forbade you to say anything and certainly never made the claim that I alone could talk about it; it is you who are using hyperbole now.
In general, I would perfectly understand your frustration with censorship; on another blog, I was just today telling people about some asinine event at a HS that forbade students from having a "Cougar" mascot, because it might offend some older female sluts. Then of course there's the removal of the Ten Commandments, and the shrill atheists claiming the Nativity offends them. I can have a baudy sense of humor, and can be quite crass, but some things I can't laugh at are murder and rape. It is your own choice whether to speak like a decent human being or not; I consider it a matter of morality, empathy and compassion, not legality, as I am once again not a feminist and have never required a law to protect me from jackasses.
As it is, seeing the meaning of your post as I do now, it's not the post that horrifies, but the dismissal you now make of people who have gone through the injustices you yourself call tragic. In your years, you've acknowledged suffering people and now dismissed their tragedies as things not important enough to earn somber or respectful talk. The very idea of someone feeling that you should consider how you speak is more offensive to you, and won a more volatile reaction, than these horrific acts. Now rape is "just another event" in what you call a normal life. It's clear your opinion of yourself is that of a "tough guy" aware of much but touched by little, and you like many others appear to confuse what's legal with what's moral. I'm aware it's legal for you to dismiss victims if you like, and for me to call you an asshole for it. Morality and respect are not legally forced, nor should they be, but it's always been best for people as a whole to choose them anyway.
I dismiss you. You may go now.
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We get it. You're better than everyone else who laughs at rape jokes. Cool.
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